terça-feira, 9 de junho de 2026

JAN DOČEKAL & JOSEF BUBENÍK | About surrealism and the Czech surrealist group Stir up in a Czech book interview Crystal spaces

 


In 2025, the Czech publishing house Sursum published a book interview between Jan Dočekal and Josef Bubeník under the title Crystal Spaces. Dočekal is a publicist and artist, author of several texts and illustrations in three issues of Agulha Revista de Cultura, Bubeník is a member of the surrealist group Stir up, illustrated this year’s February issue of Agulha Revista de Cultura. Dočekal was a member of Stir up until May 2023. Correspondence between Bubeník and Dočekal with editor Florian Martins gave rise to the idea of ​​publishing two chapters from Crystal Spaces, those concerning surrealism and the group Stir up, in Agulha Revista de Cultura.

 

ABOUT SURREALISM

 

JD (Jan Dočekal) | In the summer of 2013, we taled about my book Interviews. It would be good to ask you four questions that would remind you of what you thought about the Stir Up group and surrealism at the time. You are active in the surrealist group Stir Up. Can a painter become a surrealist just by wanting to, or does he have to have a mental and revolutionary predisposition to do so?

 

JB (Josef Bubeník) | I think he should have the prerequisites for both. And also a huge desire and the strength to exercise it. I don’t know which I had more. I went through different periods. In fact, I am still going through them today.

At first I was an impressionist, then a baroque artist, a painter of fantasy paintings, then an action painter, later an author of post-civilization cycles and finally a surrealist. A person becomes a surrealist by tending towards certain forms of expression, towards certain currents of thought and towards a certain worldview.

In the second half of the eighties, I associated with a group of young surrealists. They called themselves the surrealist circle A.I.V. Their leader was the charismatic Bruno Solařík. Through him, I later became a member of the Karel Teige Society. But that did not make me a surrealist. Just as I did not become an alchemist just because I applied for membership in the Hermetic Society UNIVERSALIA after it was founded. I received a card with serial number 166 and that was basically the end of it for me. It is ridiculous that esotericists had cards for esotericism.

 

JD | Until recently, the Stir Up group was called a parasurrealist group, i.e. a “parasurrealist” group. Now it is called the Czech or Moravian surrealist group. Without the prefix para.

 

JB | Sometimes we use the designation with the prefix para and sometimes without it. Personally, I find the designation parasurrealist group more apt, although with two prefixes the word is more complicated. But the characterization of the group movement as parallel to surrealism captures the essence of Stir Up. It follows that the designation with the prefix para is expansive. Besides, who can say that the parasurrealists from Stir Up really go parallel to the main movement, or whether other activities are not also taking place in parallel with them? Personally, I would like to get rid of both words – surrealist and parasurrealist, because they are not important. What is important is the work.

 

JD | Stir Up has had a number of domestic exhibitions and has been presented at international surrealist exhibitions in Portugal and Chile. However, little is known about it. Besides, do you think that popularizing fine arts is necessary?

 

JB | If there is one type of art that is hardly talked about in the media, it is fine arts. It is only mentioned in the main TV news when a financial record is achieved at an auction or when a museum is robbed. By the way, who is the best-selling living painter in our country? The popular singer Karel Gott. There are thousands of real fine artists in our country, but they are on the verge of poverty. On the other hand, a dilettante famous in another field receives millions for his work. Stir up has been developing exhibition and publishing activities for almost twenty years, although it is true that very little is known about it. This is probably because its main goal is not to do everything possible to make people learn about it at all costs. But it is also because journalists do not actively seek information.

 

JD | So do you think that surrealism is still the permanent revolution of the spirit that Breton proclaimed in the Surrealist Manifesto in 1924?

 

JB | Of course. There are statements that have been defined, that have become valid, and even though the author and his contemporaries have long since died and society has changed since then, the reasons why they were said and proclaimed remain. It is clear that there have always been Breton followers who have adhered to a literal interpretation and application of his statements and ideas, and there have always been many who have approached it in a more general way. The disputes between some and others were part of the color of surrealism. I think that the lively discussion on these topics was and remains one of the reasons why this movement has survived to this day. After all, Breton himself excluded from the movement several personalities who today no one doubts belonged to surrealism. Robert Matta’s statement: I am a surrealist in spite of Breton is eloquent.

 

JD | How much information about surrealism did you manage to convey to your students during your teaching career?

 

JB | Only as much as was always needed. And to be more precise, I don’t have students, but course participants. From eighth and ninth graders to high school and university students. Groups of young people of various ages with a common interest in the subject. And always after assigning and explaining a practical task, I tell them interesting facts from the history and theory of art during the work and try to introduce them to different historical epochs and also the circumstances that led to individual intellectual movements. I would compare it to a large polyhedral crystal, where looking into individual surfaces and walls you can always see a new image of the same center.

 

JD | Is it possible to become a surrealist from a suddenly awakened power of will? One could exclaim: I was bewitched by thoughts…, or: It struck me like a bolt from the blue…

 

JB | And what does it actually mean, I will become a surrealist? For some, a great impulse, for others, just a logical place on the path they have been following since childhood. Or do others decide that? Do I then have to develop certain abilities? But why such questions? Isn’t the desire to create enough?

 

JD | Kunsthistorie says that surrealists are not, in principle, dependent on the order of beauty. Aesthetics are not their primary goal in creation.

 

JB | I consider myself an artist, I create visual objects, mainly paintings. I solve something in these tasks. If it also has an aesthetic effect, it is not harmful. Creating paintings that are deliberately unaesthetic, i.e. ugly and unattractive, would border on some kind of obsessive disorder. And after all, surrealism itself created an aesthetic category that has been either interpreted or imitated for a hundred years. The extent to which someone develops and builds on that category, and conversely, who just describes it, is very individual. It is difficult to talk about what is aesthetic, what is beauty, when aestheticism has undergone huge somersaults over the last hundred and fifty years. After all, the ancient Romans already said: Times change and we change with them.

 

JD | Surrealism has been revolutionary from the beginning. Permanent, with the slogan Surrealist Revolution, later Surrealism for Revolution and then with the sobering up from the service of Marxism through the Soviet Union. Central and South American surrealists have strongly leftist postulates. How strong is your revolutionary spirit?

 

JB | Yes, that’s the nail on the head. If surrealists don’t have leftist postulates, meaning progressive, non-conservative, humanistic, then they are not surrealists. At least from the point of view of the pre-war manifestos. After all, everyone refers to these manifestos! And that is precisely the problem of our group, whose name is something to stir up. Some members are strongly right-wing, others tend towards the political center of opinion.

Josef Kremláček was definitely left-wing. Some of Stir Up are vocal anti-communists, which is actually highly acceptable from the point of view of surrealism. But being an anti-communist does not automatically mean being a right-winger. That is why I never minded Budík’s anti-communism, but the center-right views he occasionally expressed, I did. After all, the vast majority of members of the pre-war groups were members of communist parties for some time before they saw through Soviet Stalinism and communist conservatism. That is why the communists hated them so much that some even ended up on the gallows, like Záviš Kalandra, some preferred to emigrate, like Toyen, Brouk, and others died prematurely of exhaustion, like Karel Teige.

  And as for Marxism itself – I think that few people today know what is hidden under all that. For example, the interpretation of history in today’s European culture is thoroughly Marxist, without anyone mentioning it. Also because no one has defined it better. It is just that people do not talk about it out loud. I also think that there has been no sobering up from Marxism, but from communism. And that is a significant difference.


I see parallels between the development in our country and in South America. And I also understand that they cannot understand why surrealism was blacklisted in our country during the communist era, because surrealism is strongly associated with the left. And they are reluctant to believe in the parallel between the totalitarian regimes in our country and theirs. Even though it is clear that the military junta in Argentina, for example, was much crueler than is generally known about it in our country.

 

JD | Okay. Let’s continue with a heated argument. Is an orthodox surrealist able to tolerate the view of an artistic expression that is ideologically foreign? For example, romanticism or art nouveau?

 

JB | Romanticism is one of the sources of the surrealist worldview and is inherently revolutionary. It broke the forms of the established classicism, i.e. the movement that was a manifestation of imperial authoritarianism. It was not just the case of Napoleon, when the monarch installed by revolution became Caesar conquering the rest of the world, it was also all the other so-called absolutist monarchies of his time.

  In our environment, it is the inspiration of K. H. Mácha, an innovator of poetry. Count de Lautréamont also still has one foot in romanticism and Lord Byron is definitely not a figure that the surrealists would reject. The situation is similar with Art Nouveau. It broke the forms of academic realism more than, for example, impressionism. It meant the transfer of realistic shapes and forms into a sign, it created new ornamentation from natural objects, it abstracted to the extent that it became the basis of later abstract art.

František Kupka, a distinctive painter and caricaturist, was Art Nouveau expressive in his paintings, uncompromisingly critical in his political caricatures, and when he became one of the main representatives of abstract art, he never got rid of his Art Nouveau curls in his signatures. Likewise, the Art Nouveau sculptor František Bílek, with his expressive exaltation, went miles beyond Mucha’s flamboyance. What I mean by this is that not a blanket condemnation of the entire movement, but an analysis of individual artists and an objectively critical attitude towards them can be the only criterion for assessment.

 

JD | But the question was whether an orthodox surrealist can tolerate the sight of…?

 

JB | Well, it would certainly be an interesting view of that orthodoxist, who otherwise probably lives in a vacuum bubble, and when he sees a slightly kitschy Biedermeier landscape with a shepherd and sheep in the background in a museum exhibition, he has a fit of rage and starts beating the painting and the surrounding porcelain vases and plates with his walking stick.

 

JD | Surrealist theorists emphasize that surrealism was never an art form, but rather an attitude to life that is interconnected in all directions. Isn’t that a problem? Is it possible to be a true, strictly defined surrealist today? One who distances himself from material goods, the state, and religion?

 

JB | Someone who distances himself from material goods doesn’t have to live under a bridge and doesn’t have to get rid of personal property. It is about not accumulating profit just for the sake of profit. Standing out against the state does not mean not following the laws. However, a situation can arise, and it has already happened several times in our country, when a group of legislators agree and adopt such laws that they require active resistance. And then the talk about politics not being done on the street and everyone should wait for the elections is just chatter. And as for religion, it is mainly a problem of the church itself. It has identified faith in God, i.e. the idea of ​​love, with the power of money. That is a matter of the collective church conscience.

 

JD | Are these judgments still relevant? Can they be found in the essences spread by contemporary surrealists? By you?

 

JB | Even the most precise judgments and ideas are always tied to the specific experiences of specific people at a specific time and in a specific place of work. And that is precisely the source of novelty. Each new generation formulates similar ideas in new words, new postulates. And this new form then transforms the content into a newer form, which then in turn supports further transformation of the form in further development.

To think that nothing should change in perfectly formulated postulates would put such a movement in a position similar to the Catholic Church, where every change is the work of the devil.

 

JD | Probably most of today’s admirers of surrealism do not know what surrealism was and is. What attracts them?

 

JB | Nowadays, in our general media space, surrealism, and in fact all visual art, is perceived as a synonym for something crazy, primarily irrational and hilariously entertaining. For example, some time ago we could hear a comment on television describing the prime minister’s speech as surrealistic.

But there is nothing wrong with the very fact that people perceive only the first, outer shell of surrealism. One has to start somewhere, and those who want to go below the surface will find other layers. There is mystery in them, and mystery is what attracts people. And in fact, it is only through the depth of interest in a thing that laypeople become knowledgeable about things.

Then there is the second type of people. They also got the hint. Maybe they know a surrealist personally, so they think they are enlightened, illuminated by something mysterious with the only truth, then they feel elitistly superior. That is the only way it could have happened that four years ago, if I remember correctly, a certain person living in Prague wrote to the editor of the Brazilian magazine Agulha Revista de Cultura, with whom you collaborate, asking what right you have to write about surrealism, and moreover in a foreign press, when only members of the Prague surrealist group can express themselves about it. The group that, according to that person, is the only true successor to the pre-war surrealists. And how is it possible that someone presents himself as a surrealist when the clique of cardinals from Prague has not blessed him. But perhaps it was just a private outcry from a lonely writer who, with contemptuous pathos, reveals that the group around Budík is not surrealist, but artistic. Well, yuck!

 

JD | A suitable material for the debate on surrealism is offered by Budík’s pivotal text from the mid-nineties. Let us recall at least its introductory part.

 

ARNOŠT BUDÍK | If today, after three quarters of a century, we approach at least a cursory look at the adventure of the spirit that surrealism undoubtedly is, and if we free ourselves from the accumulation of epithets with which its gravediggers and uninvolved observers have showered it, we will see under the patina of time one large three-pointed star, which not only has not dimmed yet, but which still shines brightly above the current, not for everyone acceptable reality. Contemporary society, at least as we know it in Europe, despite certain material advantages, which it sometimes generously and at other times very cautiously redistributes to its citizens, often mortifies the human psyche with its indifference, established orders, conventions and exhausting conformism. That three-pointed star, which still sparkles and attracts those who have stopped trusting the postulates of self-salvation philosophy, infallible development, so-called modern art and progress as the only source of human happiness, this star with the flavor of subversion of resistance and the effort to repeatedly confront reality with questions about its true meaning, this star represents the trinity that fulfills the essence of surrealism – poetry, love and freedom.

 

JD | In order to bring your thoughts on contemporary surrealism to the knowledge and opinions of another background, I asked Rik Lina from Amsterdam, a friend of ours, to contribute to our conversation.

 

RIK LINA | Surrealism? It’s still alive. It’s thriving. Even some art historians I know agree with its current development. For me, they’re a kind of family, people to whom you don’t have to explain exactly what you’re doing. Even arguing group gatherings come to an agreement at the end of the day. That’s how it’s always been. Look at Breton and Bataille.

Yes. Surrealism is marginal, almost ephemeral, especially in the Netherlands, but it also has a global appeal. In October I was in Portugal for a meeting and exhibition of Dutch, Portuguese, Brazilian and French surrealists. We had a great time, we’re still in touch.

I’m currently reading a new translation of Breton’s L’Art Magique, with some additions from contemporary scholars. Very interesting. And both recently published large encyclopedias of historical surrealist activities, Spanish and English, clearly show the current trends underway. The fact that this is happening completely outside the official canon, outside the commercialized art world, is a promising and hopeful sign.

 

JD | At the end of this section, I cannot just put aside the invitation to the exhibition that just arrived, I will not say where. It carries the announcement: The exhibition of paintings includes surrealist and fantasy work that carries thoughts and feelings from life, both of the author and of people in general. Her work leads the vie wer to think, in many paintings by means of exaggeration.

 


 JB | Yes, yes, that’s right. We strive for precise definitions and concise terminology. At the same time, we forget that the term surrealism has become a household name in our everyday language. It is used in a broad generalized meaning with a variety of content, similar to abstract concepts – freedom, love, art, etc. Surrealism has become abstract. It’s actually good.

 

STIR UP GROUP

 

JD | I think that the most influential founding member of the Stir up group and subsequently in its other activities was the already mentioned Arnošt Budík, born in Brno. He lives in Brussels. (editor’s note: Doctor of Philosophy Arnošt Budík, (31. 10. 1936 Brno – 29. 4. 2025 Brussels, Belgium).

 

JB | Without a doubt.

 

JD | In the spring of 2006, he decisively participated in the content of the unique first exhibition in the gallery in Mohelský mlýn on the Jihlava River near Třebíč. Yes, that is our gallery of surrealists, it has the romantic name Čertův ocas.

 

JB | Yes, it was unique. The exhibitions in the immediately following years were also interesting. But after a certain point, interest began to wane. In a sense, this is also related to the overall crisis of group work and group activities.

 

JD | I have been writing about that gallery for ten and a half years as a typical home of surrealism. I have always felt that it belongs there.

 

JB | That is the nail on the head. On the one hand… The group refers to the entire the breadth of the surrealist intellectual movement and says that he does not want to create categories of beauty or aesthetics. On the other hand, he wants to preserve his activities in a stone museum building in the poetic landscape of the forest in the valley of the Jihlava River. Random fragments of events fit together. Creating a gallery in a former mill was undoubtedly an interesting undertaking, maintained by the meritorious initiative of Lubomír Kerndl. However, there is also the other side, conservation, lowering the level.

In this context, I remember a story that Libor Vodička told me when he was still a student of theater studies. He helped in the theater archive. He called on directors to bring their missing older works for safekeeping. One day the door opened, director Eva Tálská came in. She threw a pile of scripts on the table and exclaimed: You are my gravedigger!

And that’s how it is. Museums preserve the memory of culture and thereby preserve it. The group should have written its own history while the witnesses still had the opportunity to do so, and published a monograph. That would was a bigger task than preserving and presenting the works. art in the dampness of a water mill.

Everything has its beginning, course and end. The dignity of the end is also important, just so that there is no bitterness and aftertaste left. Čertův ocas is a gallery of its kind and one of the few in its uniqueness. My occasional criticism has not changed anything about that. And it cannot be ignored that the main problem of all private galleries is the lack of money. Only a system of state and municipal contributions would ensure their regular operation.

 

JD | Budík emphasizes that he is above all a poet, that in his collages he draws on the impulses of poetry. You are not a poet.

 

JB | Why should I be? Poetry is not my cup of tea. I create out of the desire to create. And sometimes I also write theoretical texts, also about the universe and cosmos. So I can think that my poetry is hidden in them.

 

JD | The history of Czech surrealism includes two creative communities, the Brno group Lacoste in the 1960s and the North Moravian part of the Karl Teig Society in the 1990s. Can the Stir Up group be seen as a continuation of its predecessors?

 

JB | First of all, it is a chronological development in life. The Lacoste group movement was a youthful rise of university students (Arnošt Budík, Josef Kremláček, Václav Pajurek, Jiří Havlíček) who discovered surrealism in the 1960s, which had been silenced in our country until then. Aleš Navrátil and Lubomír Kressa soon joined Lacoste, and Pavel Řezníček, a writer, poet, collage artist and translator from French, collaborated with the group from the outside. At that time, he organized a reading of his translations of surrealist texts in the Brno Small Theatre of Music under the attractive title Ďáblův ocas je bicykl. Here is a beautiful analogy with the gallery that was created at the Mohelský mill in the bend of the Jihlava River, on the map called Čertův ocas.

Everything was intertwined with the so-called Brno bohemia, Jan Novák, Arnošt Goldflam, Karel Fuksa and others. The painter Jan Wolf also moved in this environment. He later mentioned how widely he participated in the events of that time. Unfortunately, almost no one from the Vrtevice community remembered him. After 2002, I contacted Wolf through Arnošt Budík. He offered Wolf a guest appearance at the Stir up exhibitions. After 2002, I connected Wolf with Arnošt Budík. He offered Wolf a guest appearance at the Stir up exhibitions. He happily accepted it as a logical outcome of his artistic development. He bore the title of guest only with difficulty. But it was soon replaced by a well-deserved membership.

 

JD | Back to chronology. The occupation in August 1968, Budík’s Belgian emigration, the collapse of Lacoste. It is important to remember here that Budík continued to send out manifestos about the situation in Czechoslovakia under the name Lacoste throughout Western Europe for some time.

 

JB | As I have already mentioned, sometime in 1991 the Karl Teig Society was founded, of which I was a passive member. I know little about its development and dissolution four years later, in 1995. However, I do know that Jiří Koubek, then editor-in-chief of Analogon and a rebel, wrote an excellent book, The Sintered Lamp.

With the dissolution of the Karl Teig Society, its Ostrava section also ceased to exist. Some members founded a new group in 1995. At the suggestion of Vladimír Kubíček, they named it Stir up. Arnošt Budík did not like this name, he imagined it to be at most something French, but he did not propose anything, he did not invent anything.

 

JD | The Stir up group consists of two parts. How can they be put together when they are over a hundred kilometers apart?

 

JB | Exactly. Northern and southern part. In the north, members from Ostrava, Rožnov and the surrounding area, in the south from Brno, Třebíč and these areas. Brno was the connecting point for most. Some studied there or met there, Budík, Pajurek, Havlíček, Navrátil, Filipová, Kerndl, Wolf, you and I.

How does the group work? It is definitely not about café discussions and polemics, as it used to be during the time of peak surrealism. Stir up is active mainly through exhibitions. The focus of the exhibitions, i.e. the theme, was usually chosen by Budík, Pajurek or Kremláček. Some themes were more abstract Light, Love, others more concrete Rudolf II., Casanova, Sigmund Freud, the Templars, the Marcomani.

For example The Marcomani theme was called We, the Marcomani today. The concept of the exhibition, which premiered in Třebíč, followed by Brno and Ivančice, was put together by Josef Kremláček. He taught at the elementary art school in Třebíč and created art artifacts with children that reminded of the early history of Moravia, where the Marcomans were their home.

The exhibited collection consisted of works by Kremláček’s children (students) and works by members of the Stir up group. Who else but an active artist with imaginative thinking could connect the inspiring theme common to both children and members of the surrealist group. And for example, another exhibition on the theme of Light was the work of Václav Pajurek for a change. He wrote a series of associative names associated with light for it and sent them to the members of the group as inspirational stimuli. I found it very beneficial, yet free. In later years, similar activities declined. The exhibitions organized became boring and formal.

 

JD | The group’s exhibitions represented personal creative approaches, but often also a completely free perception of collective belonging, where the theme of the exhibition was not reflected in any way.

 

JB | Yes, I remember, for example, the exhibition called Templars. One could have expected a lot of interesting analogies. That did not happen. The exhibition largely re-presented what had previously been stored in the warehouse of the Ďáblův ocas Gallery in Mohelský mlýn. Similar recycling became more and more frequent. That was the reason for my gradual disappearance from the group’s activities.

 

JD | In the past, Stir up had various events, pleasant and successful, some perhaps inconspicuous. But one exhibition unfortunately stands out because it was absurd in that it was announced but did not take place.

 

JB | The one in Prague in the spring of 2013. I had no intention of returning to it. But speaking of her...


We put together a fairly large international collection called We Are All Born of Love. Along with the members of Stir Up, Miguel de Carvalho and Artur do Cruizero Seixas from Portugal, Aube Elléouet from France, Amirah Gazel and Miguel Lohlé from Costa Rica, Henry Lejeune from Belgium, Rik Lina from the Netherlands, Enrique de Santiago from Chile, John Welson from England and others participated.

The premiere took place at the Špalíček Gallery in Prostějov. The second presentation was announced for April 2013 in a private gallery in Prague. I will not name it, it would have undeserved publicity. The gallery is owned by a lady with whom I personally agreed on everything. With the belief that the given word is valid. Posters and invitations were sent out. But two days before the installation, the owner denied everything to me, that she knew nothing, that we would not agree on anything, and added something about the low artistic level. She decided that there would be no Stir Up exhibition in her gallery.

It would be acceptable if some hostile interest group had prevented the exhibition. That would have brought an uplifting feeling of persecution, censorship, restriction of freedom. However, nothing of the sort happened. The cause was gross dilettantism and amateurism on the part of the organizer.

Several well-informed journalists, of course also members of Stir up, spoke up. After an explanation, they agreed with what we thought. Without looking for a conspiratorial background. There was none. The exhibition, which did not take place, was an embarrassing disgrace for the Prague gallery.

 

JD | The Stir up website lists deceased members, but there are many active members missing. We read the postulates of surrealism that are exactly a hundred years old, nothing from the present. What good is it?

 

JB | That’s a question for me? I have nothing to do with it. It’s a shame that the website exists in this form. It needs to be fixed, updated or canceled.

 

JD | Last year, on the occasion of the centenary of the First Surrealist Manifesto, there were many more exhibitions than usual. But looking for authors from Stir up, as well as other our surrealists, in the accompanying publications is almost completely futile. At the exhibition in Paredes, Portugal, only Arnošt Budík and, surprisingly, Linda Filipová appeared.

 

JB | Maybe there are too many roosters and not enough yards. But the point is that you can’t please everyone. For some reason, you have to choose. I understand that everything is gender-balanced these days. Arnošt Budík as a kind of guru of the Stir up group. Linda Filipová, a young woman, a skilled draftsman. The choice is understandable. It was also logical to leave more space for domestic artists. But it is sad that the Stir up group itself did not initiate anything similar on an international level.

 

JD | Your participation in the Stir up group is long-term. Convincingly active. However, this is precisely why you have often criticized it since the second half of the last decade. If I see it correctly, out of a desire for movement, out of a desire to no longer postpone obligations for later.

 

JB | Imagination has no boundaries or fixed forms. I do not want to perceive or have someone who will give me a form, a field where I should move correctly. You yourself came across this when you mentioned metaphysics in my paintings and said that the surrealists had it the other way around. Yes, they probably did. I am not forced to feel like a surrealist, yet I have been participating in exhibitions of a group that calls itself surreal for years. And do I have to call myself a surrealist just so I don’t hurt the Stir Up group? So I don’t become an enemy in the party? No. I don’t want anyone telling me where I can and can’t go. Or what I’m forbidden to do. That’s all.

 

JD | In June 2020, you wrote me a completely open opinion about your relationship with the Stir up group. It is not intended for publication. However, here is a good place for a possible publication. What do you think about it?

 

JB | I agree with this good place.

I first exhibited with the Stir up group in 1999. Josef Kremláček invited me to participate as a guest author in an exhibition called Ohnivý děšť. It was in Třebíč. Since then, I have been a guest at other group exhibitions for half a decade. And then there was a change. In the invitation to the opening in 2004, I was listed as a member of the group, I was no longer a guest. But the truth was that no one discussed this change with me, no one asked me for my opinion. It just happened.

Nothing changed in my work for the group. I continued to negotiate and organize some exhibitions, edit invitations and catalogs for them. From the second issue, I was in charge of the typesetting and editing of the surrealist bulletin Styxus. The first one was prepared in 2002 by Vladimír Kubíček. It presented the work of the Stir up group. Over time, more and more exhibitions followed. I accumulated a lot of texts and photographs on my computer. So I decided to publish the second issue of Styx, including covering the financial needs. In the following years, I edited and graphically edited five more issues. Styxus was published intermittently. The seventh issue was published in 2024.

All issues were produced by the Amaprint-Kerndl printing house in Třebíč, owned by Lubomír Kerndl, a member of the Stir up group and a tenant of the Mohelský mlýn on the Jihlava River, where our Devil’s Tail gallery is located. Without technical cooperation and financial support, Styxus could not have been published. And we must not forget the many small poetic prints by surrealist authors. These were also published by the Amaprint-Kerndl publishing house over the years.

In 2014, I suggested that Stir up limit its exhibition activities and focus primarily on writing its history, a group monograph. From the 1960s, through Budík’s Belgian emigration to the Karel Teiga Society, then from Stir to the present. I had a rough outline and a few basic texts. But then in the summer of 2015, Josef Kremláček suddenly died. Without him, almost everything began to unfold differently.

It was all the more important to evaluate the activities to date, but something else happened. Lubomír Kerndl supported efforts to recruit new members. I did not agree with this. I felt that I could not continue in the current spirit, which I described as pseudo-activity of a pseudo-surrealist kind. And my creative thoughts were also directed elsewhere. Moreover, no process, no change happens in isolation.

When I left the Center for Experimental Theatre in Brno in mid-2019, I had two options. To expand the number of unemployed people who, even with the best practice and experience, cannot find a job until retirement. Or to ignore it with the belief that the universe will not let me starve. And somehow it works. I occasionally receive commissions for typesetting various publications, I lecture in courses at a private school and at the Moravian Gallery in Brno. I realized that with an honest approach to my own life, everything related to it is actually more honest.

I no longer saw the point in participating in the declining activities of the Stir up group. What it gave me, it later partially took away from me. I am not saying that it took away my interest in surrealism or in the members of the group with whom I am friends.

However, I think that a group of people who protect themselves with a certain attribute does not automatically guarantee the right to uniqueness. Neither here nor anywhere else in the world. A surrealist group should meet regularly, which probably used to be in a narrow circle of founders. Then, when the group spread from Ostrava to other places in Moravia, there was no space left for community sharing of specific expressions and ideas. Who read and understood Breton’s works Arcanum 17 or Magnetic Fields?

But is it really important? Can a contemporary group exist according to Breton’s centuries-old principles? And is the model of any group, even Breton’s, binding for others? Isn’t such a requirement rather a surrealist anachronism? Time does not stand still. And it is Breton who speaks of the liberation of the mind and the control of the subconscious. And we can discuss how it was or was not intended, and whether this is exactly what is supposed to be a manifestation of a permanent revolution of the spirit. So  all art exhibitions with the adjective surreal can also be considered pure atavism. Yes? It is possible, but not necessary. Because it would solve nothing at all.

You probably remember my protest against the absurd realization of the Stir up exhibition in the upper house of the Czech parliament. I made Josef Kremláček, who arranged all this, very angry, and he wrote me a rude letter.

As the years go by, I feel more and more that the Stir up group is long obsolete, that its devotion to a recognized idea is just a kind of alibi.

 

JD | The last question concerns your university pedagogical studies. Jiří Havlíček was a significant teacher at the faculty and later also a friend. Did he influence your later surrealist orientation?

 

JB | Jiří Havlíček was more than a teacher and his influence on me was not in the narrowly defined spectrum of surrealist orientation. It was broader. And it was precisely the spectrum of correlations where everything is interconnected, and the discovery of invisible structures and relationships, that was Jiří Havlíček’s contribution to all who could listen to him.

I remember the mid-1980s. It was almost unbelievable that during the communist regime at the Faculty of Education, Havlíček, in his lectures on the history of art, illuminated the mysticism of medieval culture through contemporary body artists, compared the flagellant movement with the performances of Rudolf Schwarzkogler or Hermann Nitsch, connected Egyptian or ancient Greek mysteries with modern media campaigns, and so on. He was a revelation. He gave me the right dimension in the perception of the space-time of art history.

The logical culmination was my diploma thesis entitled Phenomenon of the Labyrinth. Under Havlíček’s guidance, I established the concept of the labyrinth principle using the comparative method and subsequently verified it in various manifestations of the history of art, artistic creation and human activity. In the summer of 1998, when we had been friends for years, he said this: When I once said that Arnošt should see it, I meant Budík. That’s how he introduced me to Arnošt Budík. Budík, who died on April 29, 2025, was undoubtedly a leading member of the Stir up group. In 1969, he emigrated and lived in Brussels.

Havlíček was not a member of Stir up at the time, but we all knew him. Václav Pajurek was the longest. In the mid-1960s, he founded the surrealist group Lacoste in Brno with Arnošt Budík and Josef Kremláček. Havlíček became a member of Stir up only after 2000. However, he never openly declared his membership in Stir up. Perhaps also because consciously signing up to a platform can take something away from one’s own work. He never gave up his original sources of inspiration, motifs or unique style. He devoted himself to intaglio graphics, where he brilliantly processed esoteric-alchemical themes. In this way, he filled the esoteric part of surrealist work.

In alchemy and esotericism, the surrealists found sources of inspiration, but without the ghostly ballast. This was already emphasized by André Breton. It is about the search for the miraculous, when finding the most ordinary things from everyday life can create tension reaching up to esoteric mystery. After all, alchemy deals with magical rituals. These, especially among so-called primitive peoples, are part of pre-civilization mythologies. And mythology itself is another parallel source of surrealist inspiration. Surrealists consider The Golden Bough by James George Frazer to be an important book. Jiří Havlíček studied and knew it.




JAN DOČEKAL (Czech Republic, 1943). A prominent visual artist, art historian, poet, and cultural journalist, widely recognized for his contributions to contemporary global surrealism and for his work in disseminating art through digital and print media. He began his artistic career creating traditional surrealist collages. In the second half of the 1990s, he began experimenting with layered collages and collages applied directly to book covers and pages. Since 2004, he has expanded his work to include drawings and paintings that move between expressionism and abstraction. He is an active member of the Czech art group Stir Up. He works as an art historian and cultural publicist, frequently analyzing the evolution of contemporary surrealism. Dočekal’s work has connections to the Lusophone and Latin American scene, and he is an active contributor to the Brazilian magazine Agulha Revista de Cultura. He regularly participates in exhibitions of painting, photography, and collage in shows dedicated to surrealism around the world. | 
JOSEF BUBENÍK (Czech Republic, 1965). A remarkable artist introduced to us by our friend and regular contributor to our magazine, Jan Dočekal. Both artists are members of the surrealist group Stir Up in the Czech Republic. Josef Bubeník studied with Petr Skácel and in Jan Wolf’s studio at the Faculty of Education of Masaryk University – Art Education. He is a member of the Union of Plastic Artists and the BonusArt artistic association. He has participated in numerous group exhibitions in the Czech Republic and abroad, and has organized thirty solo exhibitions. He works primarily as a painter, but also dedicates himself to creating posters and books. Josef’s artistic expression presents many intertwined forms, both thematically and temporally, and in terms of technique. At first glance, it may seem that he processes his artistic inspirations abstractly, but he himself rejects this categorization, and likes to say that everything is connected to everything else, which is why an element cannot be removed from the whole without the element or the whole itself losing its meaning. We can observe surrealist and metaphysical tendencies in Josef’s drawings and paintings. He explores what is inaccessible to the senses and attempts to capture the uncapturable. Recently, he has been working on an extensive series of crystal paintings. For him, these symbolize the records of memory, concentrated memories imprinted on the structure of matter. The emerald-green canvases on the wall shine as if sending a message about memory and recollections to the surrounding environment from their center.



JAN ŠVANKMAJER (República Tcheca, 1934). Artista surrealista, marionetista, animador e cineasta, é conhecido por suas releituras sombrias de contos de fadas famosos e pelo uso vanguardista da animação stop-motion tridimensional combinada com filmagens em live-action. Alguns críticos o elogiaram por privilegiar os elementos visuais em detrimento do enredo e da narrativa, outros por seu uso de fantasia sombria. Adaptou obras literárias como Alice e Fausto. Sua obra Šílení (2005, Loucura) foi descrita como uma história de terror cômica que demonstra a influência do escritor americano Edgar Allan Poe e do nobre francês Marquês de Sade. Hmyz (2018, Inseto) é baseado na peça Ze ivota hmyzu (1921, A Peça dos Insetos) de Karel e Josef Čapek. A obra plástica de Jan Švankmajer nos acompanha nesta edição de Agulha Revista de Cultura em que é nosso artista convidado. Também podemos encontrar uma reveladora entrevista que lhe fez Floriano Martins, publicada em três idiomas.

  



Agulha Revista de Cultura

Número 265 | junho de 2026

Artista convidado: Jan Švankmajer (República Tcheca, 1934)

Editores:

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Elys Regina Zils | elysre@gmail.com

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